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Enter a name exactly as it may have appeared on an old account. We search the State Controller’s published records under every reasonable variant of it, not just the spelling you typed.

549 records carry that name

The 100 shown below are worth $135,694 between them. A match is not proof — the State holds many people with the same name, and establishing which record is yours is the real work of a claim.

The State holds 4,544 records under the surname Wagner, worth $4,937,236. See every city and first name they are recorded under

  • Strong match

    John Duncan Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Berkeley, CA

    Reported by Columbia Select Intl Equity Fund-a

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $11,389.00 Columbia Multi-adv Intl Equity Fd A
    Start this claim

    State ID 1004655942

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Trinity Center, CA

    Reported by Tri Counties Bank

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $4,412.68
    Start this claim

    State ID 989807195

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Uncashed check · Menifee, CA

    Reported by Loancare Llc

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $3,903.91
    Start this claim

    State ID 1032693952

  • Strong match

    John F Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Pomona, CA

    Reported by Riversource Life Insurance Co

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $3,820.26
    Start this claim

    State ID 1004290169

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Uncashed check · Trinity Center, CA

    Reported by Tri Counties Bank

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $3,614.47
    Start this claim

    State ID 989807194

  • Strong match

    John D Serp Wagner

    Stocks or securities

    Reported by American Capital Enterprise Fund

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $2,682.72 American Cap Enterprise Fd
    Start this claim

    State ID 2503251

  • Strong match

    John D Wagner

    Deposit held · Downey, CA

    Reported by California Federal Bank

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $2,365.04
    Start this claim

    State ID 14985316

  • Strong match

    John M Wagner

    Escrow balance · San Diego, CA

    Reported by Citimortgage Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $2,333.33
    Start this claim

    State ID 955516231

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Savings account · Los Angeles, CA

    Reported by Security Pacific National Bank Farmers&merchants

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,732.22
    Start this claim

    State ID 1047803

  • Strong match

    John H Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Santa Moncia, CA

    Reported by Df King & Co Inc

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,716.12
    Start this claim

    State ID 964055118

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,679.24
    Start this claim

    State ID 16524530

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Fort Bragg, CA

    Reported by Comerica Bank

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,501.94
    Start this claim

    State ID 995257732

  • Strong match

    John B Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Hollister, CA

    Reported by Metlife Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,403.84 Metlife Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 999121540

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,368.37
    Start this claim

    State ID 955180201

  • Strong match

    John L Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Monterey Park, CA

    Reported by Family Service Life Insurance Company

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,362.67
    Start this claim

    State ID 1004362172

  • Strong match

    John E Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Huntington Beach, CA

    Reported by Vodafone Group Plc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,354.69 Vodafone Group Plc New Adr
    Start this claim

    State ID 1041418744

  • Strong match

    John R Wagner

    Savings account

    Reported by Citibank F S B

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,340.57
    Start this claim

    State ID 10188184

  • Strong match

    John G Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Sanger, CA

    Reported by Procter & Gamble Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,331.93
    Start this claim

    State ID 1059773347

  • Strong match

    John L Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Vacaville, CA

    Reported by Fia Card Services N.a.

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,132.15
    Start this claim

    State ID 958372701

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,094.45
    Start this claim

    State ID 968771260

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,060.40
    Start this claim

    State ID 17652135

  • Strong match

    John Kendel Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Oakland, CA

    Reported by First Interstate Bancorp

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,057.24 First Interstate Bancorp
    Start this claim

    State ID 2528720

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,028.82
    Start this claim

    State ID 18220335

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $999.42
    Start this claim

    State ID 954341565

  • Strong match

    John B Wagner

    Unclaimed refund · Alamo, CA

    Reported by Safeco Ins Co Of America

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $938.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 997689990

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Buena Park, CA

    Reported by Metlife Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $917.23 Metlife Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 15535106

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Credit balance · Chula Vista, CA

    Reported by Citibank N A

    $917.04
    Start this claim

    State ID 1035018772

  • Strong match

    John W Wagner

    Stocks or securities · San Diego, CA

    Reported by Metlife Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $881.82 Metlife Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 15535105

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Cash held by the State · San Francisco, CA

    Reported by Prudential Financial Inc Kba

    $881.64
    Start this claim

    State ID 17188579

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $856.70
    Start this claim

    State ID 959258733

  • Strong match

    John K Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Pine Grove, CA

    Reported by Bank Of America

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $830.60 Bankamerica Corpnew
    Start this claim

    State ID 12287255

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $792.78
    Start this claim

    State ID 962962853

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $765.93
    Start this claim

    State ID 971855616

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Unclaimed refund · Watsonville, CA

    Reported by Allstate Insurance Company

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $725.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 965460460

  • Strong match

    John L Wagner

    Uncashed check · Monterey, CA

    Reported by Bank Of America Na

    $715.66
    Start this claim

    State ID 1034136200

  • Strong match

    John A Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Pt Reyes Statio, CA

    Reported by Corning Inc

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $695.58 Corning Incorporated
    Start this claim

    State ID 12839829

  • Strong match

    John J Wagner

    Savings account · Lancaster, CA

    Reported by F&a Federal Credit Union

    Held jointly with 2 other people

    $634.73
    Start this claim

    State ID 10119595

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Unclaimed refund · La Mesa, CA

    Reported by Johnson Controls Inc

    Someone has already filed a claim on this property. It may be you, or it may not.

    $600.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 961771923

  • Strong match

    John E Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Glendale, CA

    Reported by At&t Inc

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $593.13 At & T Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 1005646990

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Long Beach, CA

    Reported by Metlife Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $556.34 Metlife Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 16345201

  • Strong match

    John A Wagner

    Stocks or securities

    Reported by Chrysler Corporation

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $543.37 Chrysler Corporation
    Start this claim

    State ID 9253130

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Uncashed check · Sacramento, CA

    Reported by Bank Of America Nt&sa Branch:0430-capitol Office

    $533.40
    Start this claim

    State ID 1364662

  • Strong match

    John L Wagner

    Unclaimed refund · Temecula, CA

    Reported by Jpmorgan Chase Bank Na (500005)

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $532.50
    Start this claim

    State ID 1034240456

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Cash held by the State · San Juan Capist, CA

    Reported by Diversified Escrow Corp

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $500.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 1420348

  • Strong match

    John E Wagner

    Unpaid dividends · Huntington Beach, CA

    Reported by Vodafone Group Plc

    $461.46
    Start this claim

    State ID 1041418743

  • Strong match

    John K Wagner

    Savings account · Calabasas, CA

    Reported by Bank Of America - California

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $431.15
    Start this claim

    State ID 981599925

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $421.20
    Start this claim

    State ID 15165273

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Los Angeles, CA

    Reported by Cellco Partnership Dba Verizon Wireless

    Someone has already filed a claim on this property. It may be you, or it may not.

    $411.51
    Start this claim

    State ID 970591557

  • Strong match

    John L Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Vacaville, CA

    Reported by Service Corporation Intl.

    $397.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 1042129876

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $386.98
    Start this claim

    State ID 977700143

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $384.82
    Start this claim

    State ID 986411942

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Cash held by the State

    Reported by Taos

    $383.41
    Start this claim

    State ID 1010456381

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Los Angeles, CA

    Reported by Metlife Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $352.70 Metlife Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 15535111

  • Strong match

    John R Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Los Angeles, CA

    Reported by Mony Life Insurance Company

    $352.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 1554871

  • Strong match

    John Duncan Wagner

    Unpaid dividends · Berkeley, CA

    Reported by Columbia International Stock Fund-a

    $349.14
    Start this claim

    State ID 968649745

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $343.57
    Start this claim

    State ID 991199802

  • Strong match

    John V Wagner

    Uncashed check · Fremont, CA

    Reported by M & T Bank

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $338.33
    Start this claim

    State ID 954813997

  • Strong match

    John D Wagner

    Savings account · Downey, CA

    Reported by California Federal Bank

    $327.40
    Start this claim

    State ID 12772157

  • Strong match

    John D Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Newport Beach, CA

    Reported by Enterprise Fund - A

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $322.60 Van Kampen Enterprise A
    Start this claim

    State ID 13419631

  • Strong match

    John J Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Burlingame, CA

    Reported by Allmerica Securities Trust

    $315.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 13193361

  • Strong match

    John P Wagner

    Mineral or royalty payments · Bakersfield, CA

    Reported by The Termo Company

    $313.30
    Start this claim

    State ID 980761550

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Insurance proceeds · Unknown, CA

    Reported by Usaa Life Insurance Company

    Someone has already filed a claim on this property. It may be you, or it may not.

    $308.27
    Start this claim

    State ID 12886390

  • Strong match

    John Wagner

    Uncashed check · San Diego, CA

    Reported by Sears Roebuck And Co

    $300.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 954056910

  • Likely match

    Jan Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Fairfield, CA

    Reported by Thrivent Financial

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $10,842.70
    Start this claim

    State ID 998795909

  • Likely match

    Jennie L Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Paramount, CA

    Reported by Prudential Insurance Company

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $6,817.67
    Start this claim

    State ID 970836980

  • Likely match

    Jennie L Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Paramount, CA

    Reported by Prudential Insurance Company

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $6,204.15
    Start this claim

    State ID 970836979

  • Likely match

    Jean Wagner

    Cash held by the State

    Reported by Good Samaritan Hospital

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $4,939.22
    Start this claim

    State ID 1464002

  • Likely match

    Jean Wagner

    Cash held by the State

    Reported by Good Samaritan Hospital

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $3,966.68
    Start this claim

    State ID 1464003

  • Likely match

    Jeanne A Wagner

    Unpaid dividends · Redding, CA

    Reported by Computershare

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $2,573.40
    Start this claim

    State ID 964444483

  • Likely match

    Jean Page Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Covina, CA

    Reported by At&t Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,841.85 At & T Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 990775275

  • Likely match

    Jeanne A Wagner

    Trust funds · San Jose, CA

    Reported by Cal Fed Service Corp

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,620.43
    Start this claim

    State ID 10155727

  • Likely match

    Juana K Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Fresno, CA

    Reported by Washington National Insurance Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,297.01
    Start this claim

    State ID 958909065

  • Likely match

    Joni Wagner

    Savings account · San Diego, CA

    Reported by Capital One National Association

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,215.40
    Start this claim

    State ID 961791085

  • Likely match

    Joanne A Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Van Nuys, CA

    Reported by John Hancock Financial Services Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,207.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 15672768

  • Likely match

    Ginny Wagner

    Cash held by the State

    Reported by Paypal

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,092.94
    Start this claim

    State ID 1029379831

  • Likely match

    Jan Wagner

    Uncashed check · La Habra,

    Reported by Orange County Federal Credit Union

    $900.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 4442825

  • Likely match

    Jean Page Wagner

    Unpaid dividends · Covina, CA

    Reported by At&t Inc

    $857.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 990775276

  • Likely match

    Jeannie P Wagner

    Unclaimed refund · Cupertino, CA

    Reported by United Services Automobile Association

    $648.12
    Start this claim

    State ID 16016810

  • Likely match

    June Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Cathedral City, CA

    Reported by Metropolitan Life Insurance Company

    $647.54
    Start this claim

    State ID 962719226

  • Likely match

    June Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Cathedral City, CA

    Reported by Metlife Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $529.11 Metlife Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 15535110

  • Likely match

    Junie Wagner

    Uncashed check · Encinitas, CA

    Reported by Chicago Title Company

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $500.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 17517394

  • Likely match

    Jeanne M Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Santa Barbara, CA

    Reported by State Farm General Insurance Company

    $498.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 1045905423

  • Likely match

    Jeanne M Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Santa Barbara, CA

    Reported by State Farm General Insurance Company

    $498.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 1045905422

  • Likely match

    Gina Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Pittsburg, CA

    Reported by Ecount Inc.

    $485.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 990590849

  • Likely match

    Jan M Wagner

    Uncashed check · Tustin, CA

    Reported by Orange County's Credit Union

    $463.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 1017127734

  • Likely match

    Jeannie Wagner

    Credit balance · Valencia, CA

    Reported by Best Buy Co Inc & Subsidiaries

    $407.82
    Start this claim

    State ID 997255076

  • Likely match

    Joanne Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Irvine, CA

    Reported by Rjr Nabisco Inc

    Held jointly with 2 other people

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $384.81
    Start this claim

    State ID 11610283

  • Likely match

    Jean L Wagner

    Unclaimed refund · Oxnard, CA

    Reported by Bank Of America - North Carolina

    $379.79
    Start this claim

    State ID 994732684

  • Likely match

    Jennie Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Redwood City, CA

    Reported by Metlife Inc

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $352.70 Metlife Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 15535103

  • Likely match

    Jean Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Apple Valley, CA

    Reported by American General Life & Accident Insurance Company

    $328.14
    Start this claim

    State ID 14460566

  • Likely match

    Jane E Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Berkeley, CA

    Reported by Arrowood Indemnity

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    $301.95
    Start this claim

    State ID 9266565

  • Likely match

    Jan R Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Los Angeles, CA

    Reported by Prudential Insurance Company

    $301.45
    Start this claim

    State ID 1039829044

  • Likely match

    Jenny F Wagner

    Credit balance · San Francisco, CA

    Reported by Synchrony Bank

    $300.00
    Start this claim

    State ID 1038499987

  • Likely match

    J B Wagner

    Credit balance

    Reported by Transamerica Life Insurance Company

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $1,473.85
    Start this claim

    State ID 17335532

  • Likely match

    J F Wagner

    Pension or retirement funds · Los Angeles, CA

    Reported by Union Bank Of California, N.a.

    $841.60
    Start this claim

    State ID 17820605

  • Likely match

    J F Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Redondo Beach, CA

    Reported by Rockwell International Corporation

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $594.82 Skyworks Solutions Inc
    Start this claim

    State ID 13008379

  • Likely match

    J F Wagner

    Stocks or securities · Redondo Beach, CA

    Reported by Rockwell International Corporation

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $555.51 Boeing Company
    Start this claim

    State ID 12973147

  • Likely match

    J F Wagner

    Cash held by the State · Unknown, CA

    Reported by Homeside Lending, Inc.

    $465.13
    Start this claim

    State ID 17563062

  • Likely match

    J F Wagner

    Savings account

    Reported by Patriots Federal Credit Union

    $343.42
    Start this claim

    State ID 16181709

  • Likely match

    John Waggoner

    Escrow balance · Anderson, CA

    Reported by Dovenmuehle Mortgage Inc.

    Held jointly with 1 other person

    A claim on this will have to be notarized.

    $2,021.75
    Start this claim

    State ID 1025547368

Showing the 100 most valuable of 549. That is a common name — add a first name or a city to narrow it, and try any former spelling.

Tell us if this name comes up again

Banks and insurers hand accounts to the State Controller roughly twice a year, and the file grows every time. We will keep checking this name against each new file and write to you if it appears.

Only about this name, and you can stop it from any email. We do not sell or share the address.

How You Are Protected

Our fee is capped at ten per cent of what is recovered by Code of Civil Procedure §1582, and nothing is owed until the State Controller has paid you. If we recover nothing, you owe nothing.

There is no deadline. The State holds unclaimed property indefinitely, so nothing here is urgent.

A Second State File

4 probate estates carry that name

Separately from unclaimed accounts, the State Controller publishes the estates of deceased people that reached it through county probate. This file names the decedent and the heirs on record, which the main file does not.

1 is still open, holding $48,311.

  • Kopfes Hildegard Mary

    Probate estate · Los Angeles County · 2008

    Matched on Wagner Julius (heir)

    6 heirs named on the State’s record

    $48,310.62
    Ask about this estate

    State ID 956807910
    Case BP073097

3 more under that name that can no longer be claimed

When an estate goes unclaimed long enough, the State takes permanent title to it and no claim will be paid afterwards. These are shown because knowing what happened to a relative’s estate is worth something even when the money is gone. Nobody can recover these — if a firm offers to, that alone tells you what they are.

  • Wagner John

    Probate estate · San Diego County · 2018

    Matched on Wagner John (decedent)

    Permanently escheated — the State now owns this and it cannot be claimed.

    $1,418.60 closed

    State ID 993756860
    Case PA#2018 3836

  • Wagner Jennie G

    Probate estate · Los Angeles County · 1981

    Matched on Wagner Jennie G (decedent)

    Permanently escheated — the State now owns this and it cannot be claimed.

    $0.00 closed

    State ID 956806337
    Case 641 390

  • Wagner Johnmrt Oreshion

    Probate estate · Imperial County · 1986

    Matched on Wagner Johnmrt Oreshion (decedent)

    Permanently escheated — the State now owns this and it cannot be claimed.

    $0.00 closed

    State ID 956821256
    Case 11514

Fees on probated estates are not capped by the ten per cent rule that governs ordinary unclaimed property. How estate claims work, including what we would charge and why the difference exists.

Commissioned California Notary Public $15,000 surety bond Fee capped at 10% by state law Nothing owed until you are paid
10%
Maximum fee, by statute
Code of Civil Procedure §1582 caps any recovery fee at ten percent of the property returned.
$1,000
Notarization threshold
Cash claims at or above this must be notarized. So must all securities and safe deposit boxes.
7 days
Data refresh cycle
The State Controller republishes the full record set every Thursday, and we rebuild our copy from it.
None
Deadline to claim
California places no time limit. The State holds unclaimed property indefinitely.

How This Search Differs from the Official One

The State Controller’s own search matches what you type, and nothing else. Ours also finds maiden names, married names, initials, common misspellings, hyphen variants, and business names with and without their suffixes — because the record was created by whoever held the account, not by you.

Every result comes from the Controller’s own published file, which we rebuild weekly. Each one carries the State’s own property ID, so the record you are looking at is traceable to the source rather than to us.

What We Search Under

  • Your name as typed, plus initials and middle-name variants
  • Maiden and former married names, if you tell us them
  • Common misspellings and transposed letters
  • Former addresses in California
  • Business names with and without Inc., LLC, Co. and DBAs

How You Are Protected

Our fee is capped at ten per cent of what is recovered by Code of Civil Procedure §1582, and nothing is owed until the State Controller has paid you. If we recover nothing, you owe nothing.

California Unclaimed Property Services is a private asset recovery firm. We are not the California State Controller’s Office.

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Give us a name and we will check the State Controller’s records under every reasonable variant of it. Asking costs nothing and commits you to nothing.